17 Weaker: Piccolo. He thus always had a repitoire of attacks, transformations, and techniques at his disposal that was superior to Vegeta's. With Regard to Goku (Note: Episode 131, made it clear that Goku couldn't utilise his Mastered Ultra Instinct Transformation through will. By the time Frieza went on the offensive, his psychological warfare had taken full effect: Vegeta's pride was gone, he was questioning himself and his strength, and he was even crying. It's the same in a tournament, you don't go all out every match. So while Vegeta probably is stronger in a purely physical fight, Goku's focus and mastery over his ki (which is often fueled by his righteousness and virtue), and especially his ability to maintain his ki despite getting massively beaten down, is why he'll always beat Vegeta in the long run Goku is also more willing to reflect on himself. However, in this particular battle, Vegeta stays alive against what is certainly the full brunt of Buu's attacks. Other characters falter and fall because they plainly get beat up. Frieza always chose to suppress his true power, allow the opponent to believe they had a chance, and only increase his power when the opponent became a threat. Saiyans like Vegeta only went after small fry who they could easily beat. During the seven years of peace, Vegeta continued his gravity training. We all know the story of Vegeta. Frieza had the added advantage of having known Vegeta from a child. Vegeta is significantly stronger than Goku when they first meet. It's awesome. Currently, Vegeta should be stronger in the same form, and his SSBE is stronger than all of Goku's forms except MUI. When he first came to planet earth to find the Dragons Balls, he kicked Goku’s ass. However, Vegeta is much better in fighting skills and attack creation. The fact that they show Android 18 clearly outshining Supersaiyan Vegeta in combat prowess may seem bleak, but remember that at this stage, the most powerful fighters such as Goku, Gohan, and Vegeta haven't yet immeasurably outstripped the rest. Humans don't have the same advantages that Sayans and Namekians have. Technique can bridge power gaps. If Goku’s son continued to evolve and train, Gohan could have matured into the strongest Z fighter of all time. Goku loves it when somebody is stronger than him for the sheer joy of the challenge. Only the enraged, Supersaiyan 2 Gohan (who "did it right" for the first time) was stronger than Perfect Cell. So while Vegeta probably is stronger in a purely physical fight, Goku's focus and mastery over his ki (which is often fueled by his righteousness and virtue), and especially his ability to maintain his ki despite getting massively beaten down, is why he'll always beat Vegeta in the long run, Goku is also more willing to reflect on himself. We know this because at no time did Vegeta ever approach anyone and ask to learn anything. Vegeta did at least as well as Fat Buu, and he did it in his base form. It has everything to do with Goku's upbringing. Goku and Vegeta are both Super Saiyans, and for once they work together and seem on par. Goku is more willing to explore types of strength that Vegeta will reject out of pride. Vegeta despite having a wife and son only cares about himself. Vegeta Was Stronger Before Goku Trained With King Kai. It is of great importance that Vegeta and Goku were evenly matched (as Supersaiyan 2s) when Vegeta was endowed with Majin ability from Babidi. The thing about Goku is that even when Vegeta is stronger than Goku (and there are plenty of instances where this is the case) Goku is smarter. Several times, Frieza did appear to be surprised or threatened by the magnitude of Vegeta's attacks. Goku is stronger than Vegeta because Goku has ascended to Super Saiyan 3 something that Vegeta never achieved unless you played the video games. He probably had a Zenkai from each of his near destructions. Vegeta wasn't even able to reach Super Saiyan 2 until Babidi gave him a lot more power. Also, retard strength might play a role here. Goku shows up (having conveniently trained on Yardrat and thus has increased power and the new instant transmission technique) and outclasses Trunks. Vegeta’s even stronger as an Oozaru, crippling virtually every single bone in Goku’s body. In the name of fairness, challengers will be compared to the version of Vegeta found in their respective arcs. Another point is that Vegeta did in fact hurt Perfect Cell. Goku had better opportunities to become stronger that Vegeta didn't have. And Black interpreted Vegeta's strength as channeling his hate, but I think Vegeta is growing. Who? then vegeta trained him up to his level with whis, and then they seemed to be at a equal level. Vegeta holding together as long as he did was a sign of his true power: His base power, which doesn't often come into question in a world where people are always learning new transformations just in time to fight the next, new, even more powerful enemy. It's pushed Vegeta far further than he ever would have gone alone, but it also has ruined his mindset and made him unable to see the forest for the trees, so to speak. An exponential increase -- such as that granted from a new transformation -- has unfailingly tipped the scales in favour of even laughably weaker fighters. Watch the episode. But word has it he also trained under Kami. If I remember correctly, Vegeta starts training with Whis first, and then he is able to go Blue before Goku, no? It may have even disappeared. Goku is stronger than Vegeta because Goku has ascended to Super Saiyan 3 something that Vegeta never achieved unless you played the video games. Also when beerus slapped bulma he was for a few seconds stronger than goku. Proper motivation is key. Much stronger than whatever technology was used on Frieza. Today I will be discussing and analyzing whether or not Majin Vegeta was actually stronger than SSJ2 Goku.Did Vegeta achieve Super Saiyan 2 before Majin? In Broly Part II, a similar thing happens where Goten and Trunks pass out, but only Goten gets up. Vegeta is motivated by an obsession. Yet another case where Vegeta has a disadvatage not in raw powerlevel, but the ability to change into a higher transformation. Kid Buu is simply too much of a hyperactive, attention-defecient maniac to toy with someone for that long. 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